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Santi del Castillo's avatar

Its great to read someone with a more down to earth mind in this field. I regard of paramount importance to the community building movement this issue of getting rid of romanticism and ideas of how humans should behave and really come to terms with how they naturally behave.

True selflessness and altruism are possible. The thing is that it cannot come from a moral dictator, man-made morality will only create neurosis. It comes from authomatic responses to each moment random stimuli. If you walk down the street and see a dog drowning in a swimming pool you may feel a natural urge to rescue him.

Maybe their flaw stems from their “religious” belief of altruism and its institutionalization as a should, as a principle to base our culture upon, and their miss to understand it just as sporadic natural phenomenon.

Maybe it is even counterproductive. It is pressuring the members of that culture by constantly forcing them to be artificially altruistic when the nature of each different moment is not necessarily telling them to be altruistic, but maybe even selfish, for their own survival. In such a moment instead of an good society through forced altruism they would be creating the opposite, a neurotic and conflicted one.

Maybe their flaw is the resistance to admit their own nature, their own selfishness. It would be helpful here to jump out a bit from the good vs evil narrative and just acknowledge our natural instincts. This way we may be able to have a better context in order to build a culture, a system, in which those natural “bad” behaviours, the selfish ones will be totally accepted, included and adapted in order to use them to create more favourable situations, instead of suppressed, originating neurosis and conflict.

Community and its virtues are built upon selfishness. Community is created through a web of human relationships, and human relationships stem from selfishness. There is nothing bad to it. Relationships are always an exchange to cover one owns necessities. Accepting selfishness when it appears and ditching the idea of forcing ourselves to be selfless and altruistic because non-human holy ideals it’s a first step.

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Thomas H. Greco, Jr.'s avatar

Thanks, Will, for clarifying the facts about reciprocity and altruism in indigenous societies. I have posited that exchanges fall into three categories, gift, reciprocal, and coerced/involuntary. These occur withing a matrix of relationship types based on a dimension I call "interpersonal distance," which I divide into four realms, these are: the Realm of Independence, Self-reliance, and Familial Nurturance; the Realm of Mutual Support and Communal Interdependence; the Realm of Exploitation and Dependence; and the Realm of Coercion and Crime.

I have articulated all this in my recently published new Chapter 9—The Evolution of Money—From Commodity Money to Credit Money and Beyond. The text can be viewed at https://open.substack.com/pub/futurebrightly/p/eom-chapter-9-the-evolution-of-money-664?r=1ift4&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web.

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